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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23   #1
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Question Question for Gaile/ Andrew re: GWEN
Dear Gaile/ Andrew:

The community is in limbo about GWEN's HoM section. Many of us, including myself, are waiting to do anything with the HoM (besides just applying the tapestries) until Anet makes changes.

Why?

Nobody likes the HoM current design. We all want it to be account based and not character based. Only destroyer weapons are allowed/saved in the weapon section but greens are not (and the destroyer weapons are far from being liked). There are still numerous issues in placement of heroes and pets... they don't show up correctly. The design should allow any and all heroes to be shown but maybe only 5 on the pedestal at a time. Titles are only shown for the character that has grinded there and spent alot of time to do so.

Chances are that there are 20 other titles on the account but not on this one character. A smarter design would be to link all the titles to the HoM for the account; and when GW2 shows up, the whole account can unlock various items (maybe 1 at a time per character in GW2)... from your past GW1 rewards in HoM.

The community thought the HoM would be an account accumulation of titles, awards, and recognitions to show off to everyone. Alas, it is character based and severely crippled in its design. Nobody wants to tie their hard earned pets and customize them just for HoM.

Sure I have 8 characters... but bringing all 8 to the HoM, customizing pets for them.... each having different titles etc... we imagine the original design model was to encourage re-playability using all your characters but some of us think it has produced the opposite effect.

This question is mainly for the community to get some answers -

Will there be changes to the Hall of Monuments in the future that *may* encompass community requested alterations over the current design?

As always, thanks for listening and all the hard work.... the Mad King dost cometh soon!
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25   #2
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Well i think its more a case of lets let them know what we want and desire and hell, it might just come true
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28   #3
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While I understand and agree with most of the 'problems' you pointed out, except the the minis customization nothing you listed should prevent you from adding things to your hall now.

Any changes that are made (if they are made) would have to be made to all halls.

Enjoy it now as is and hope for changes later.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35   #4
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Most of these questions have been asked and aswered. People just don't like the "wait and see" answer we were given.

It will remain character based, that will not change.

Customizing of mini-pets will remain.

Mixed armor is a maybe, Andrew stated this.

As for weapons they just do not have a good answer yet, its been sugested many times that a 2 lvl system be set up. One level for Destroyer weapons that unlock stuff for GW2 and a second level simply for display of any weapon we chose with 0 unlocks tied to it.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43   #5
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The effect HoM has had on me is I only play a single character now, all other's are "storage" characters. The amount of time I have to play pretty much will allow me my main chacter only.

To me this is ok, but I know other people who have put a lot of time and effort in multiple characters, this doesn't sit well.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45   #6
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PLEASE stop talking about your desires as everyone's desires.

PLEASE stop talking about your thoughts as everyone's thoughts.

i dont have a problem with you voicing a complaint, but generalizing for all of us is really really annoying.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46   #7
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I like the character-based HoM.

Now stfu.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49   #8
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Yay! It should make things simpler knowing one person is the entire community!

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Old Oct 02, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54   #9
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Yay! It should make things simpler knowing one person is the entire community!

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I am??? sweet. gib me your stuff
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13   #10
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Account based mini customization is needed, and more weapons in Valor would be nice.

But your assumption that "We all want it to be account based and not character based." is WAY off. The HoM should remain character based. My mesmer i have played for a total of 12 hours should not get credit for the 5000+ hours i have put into my warrior.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13   #11
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We all want it to be account based and not character based.
I don't. How would this work anyway? I don't want my Warrior having my Mesmer's armor in her HoM.

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Only destroyer weapons are allowed/saved in the weapon section but greens are not (and the destroyer weapons are far from being liked).
Agreed, weapons need to be expanded. Maybe not all Greens, but definately all end-game weapons.

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There are still numerous issues in placement of heroes and pets... they don't show up correctly. The design should allow any and all heroes to be shown but maybe only 5 on the pedestal at a time.
I have no problem with requiring "elite" Hero Armor to be needed. After all, we have to have "eilte" character armor to be shown, correct? Is this a Hall of Monuments, or Hall of Everything?

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Titles are only shown for the character that has grinded there and spent alot of time to do so.
And so they should be given the reward. Why should a brand new Factions character that's been around for 10 hours get the same treatment as one that's been around for 2 years, and has many Titles maxed?

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The community thought the HoM would be an account accumulation of titles, awards, and recognitions to show off to everyone. Alas, it is character based and severely crippled in its design. Nobody wants to tie their hard earned pets and customize them just for HoM.
Hard earned? You mean, being around for a year? Only a few mini-pets are "hard earned" and, again, they would be cheapened if available for all your Characters.

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Sure I have 8 characters... but bringing all 8 to the HoM, customizing pets for them.... each having different titles etc... we imagine the original design model was to encourage re-playability using all your characters but some of us think it has produced the opposite effect.
Then don't bring all 8 characters over. Only focus all the names and characters you want to carry over to GW2.

If you want all 8 characters' names reseverved, it's really not that hard to get to the Eye of the North and at least have something (if not everything) for every character.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24   #12
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It looks like to me that the ones that don't have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want an account based HoM.

And the ones that do have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want a character based HoM.

Is there anyway we can have a balance between the two? To please both parties and both sets of minds?

At the end of the day I'm happy with either. I do concentrate on my main more than others, but GW2 will be a new start and I'm not really that concerned with my past achievements now.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26   #13
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There is no reason for people not to hold out until GW2 is released. In fact, I probably won't purchase any destroyer weapon and armour sets until after GW2 is released and the exact unlocks are known. Although I'll probably buy the materials in advanced to avoid any sort of last minute sellout.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27   #14
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I really don't see how you could have assumed that the HoM was going to be account based from the information they gave us about it. I, and I'm sure many others, simply assumed that it was going to be character based. Sure, it was a bit iffy from those videos they showed from that game expo (the ones that showed the armour monuments as a mix of various professions and genders, but turned out these were just generic statues).

I don't particularly care about the fact that it's character based. In fact, it's better in the fact that I now have something to do before GW2 (at the moment I am thinking I want enough Halls to make a character of each race. This may change, and probably will, if I start finding it too tedious).

Also, if you read the talk page about the minipet monument, Gaile has stated the team is working on a way for the minipets to be customised for the account, but only the character that initially stores them will be given benefits from them.
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33   #15
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If my perspective isn't yours, then post about it... but no need to be rude about it ....

If there was a "wait and see" post from Anet... I obviously missed it...
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37   #16
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It looks like to me that the ones that don't have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want an account based HoM.

And the ones that do have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want a character based HoM.
QFT. ANet seems to be on the side of those who prioritize GW high in their life, and therefore spend the time in-game instead of elsewhere.

Thanks!
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38   #17
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It's not just greens. Personal golds that we have obtained cannot be enshrined in HoM either.

I have 2 sets of req 8 weapons that I would like to put into HoM since they are the only weapons I have used since Factions (since I like the skins) and instead ANET has saved that area for some relatively cheap crappy looking skins.

Not to mention, onyx gemstone + diamonds = magma-type weapons? WTF were you smoking?
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47   #18
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It looks like to me that the ones that don't have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want an account based HoM.

And the ones that do have time to grind multiple characters on multiple titles and multiple achievements want a character based HoM.

Is there anyway we can have a balance between the two? To please both parties and both sets of minds?

At the end of the day I'm happy with either. I do concentrate on my main more than others, but GW2 will be a new start and I'm not really that concerned with my past achievements now.
The HoM titles should be all based on how the title works....

Cartography titles are char based, so it should be char based in HoM.
Hero titles are account based, so it should be account based in HoM.

Makes sense right?
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Old Oct 02, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41   #19
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I'm pretty satisfied with the HoM the way it is now.

I do think they should get rid of the mini pet section completely, so I just don't use it.
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QFT. ANet seems to be on the side of those who prioritize GW high in their life, and therefore spend the time in-game instead of elsewhere.

Thanks!
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That's a strange way to put it. Isn't it really just a case of greater rewards for those who have put more time into the game? How is that a surprising thing?

I'm guessing I'll never get anything close to a maxed HoM on even one character, but the concept of the HoM makes more sense to me as a character based thing anyway. Ultimately, though, I'm just not that worried about it one way or the other.
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